A Question For Sam Harris and Jordan B Peterson to Discuss? Is There Multi-Level Selection?

Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins won’t engage me in a debate on either rationalism/intuitionism or multi-level selection. And that’s great! Thank God for children who want to stick their fingers in their ears and block out new thoughts. That’s how I became a better teacher. And big babies (and that’s what Fundamentalists are) are going to make me a better and better teacher. And, at a certain point, the public will realize how ridiculous these people’s thinking is and start laughing at them.

I got nervous at the end of JRE #897 because Joe is a way more physically intimidating man than I am. Joe is a King. He is an Alpha. I am a Beta. I know my place. But what kind of person is scared of a Beta? An intellectual Omega and that is what Fundamentalists are. They’re not Mixed Mental Artists they’re narrow-minded one note punchers. And when someone challenges they’re thinking with a story so simple even a child like them could get it, they find it soooooo upsetting that they block you.

Awwwww! Someone disagreed with you. Did that hurt your feeeeeeeelings with a new thought? Maybe you should go back into your little safe space with Richard Dawkins who will tell you what you want to hear about the world that you have it all figured out. Now, watch the slow thinking that happens hear.

These derps over in the #AtheistFundamentalist bubble are all fast thinking. A lot of people heard new ideas on #JRE and were curious. And they asked me for the names of books? Derps like these two want it spoon fed to them. They want to be told in 140 characters what to think. And Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are more than happy to do that. It takes three seconds to become a Muslim Fundamentalist and a lifetime to become a Muslim says my dad’s boss. It takes three seconds to think you know what the science says and a lifetime to actually go and read your way around it. And anyone who promotes their narrow-minded view of science in a format that can be put in 140 characters needs to be called out for what they are. A religious fundamentalist who has coopted the power and authority of science to justify bigotry. Mitts off, Dawkins. Science doesn’t belong to you. It belongs to the people.


Notice the pattern! The people who get triggered when their Fundamentalist imams are challenged in their thinking don’t get that thinking and feeling are linked. They’re so unaware of their own emotions that they laugh at the idea that their rationalizations may not be reasonable. They dismiss outside thought. They think fast not slow. They don’t get read books.

Some of you have been wondering why I’ve been trolling Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins. Simple. I was fishing. I was fishing for insults. I was provoking the Trigglypuffs into giving me the material to prove why Jon Haidt laid two big easter eggs at the beginning of his podcast with Sam Harris. I want to open them. Jon Haidt does. David Sloan Wilson does too. But it’s almost that Sam Harris creates such a climate of fear on his podcast in the name of righteousness that even though Jon Haidt knows way more about where the science is today he doesn’t have the confidence to challenge Sam on his thinking. Muslim Fundamentalists live in a much more violent culture. They fight with weapons. Atheist Fundamentalists like Sam grow up in the gated community that is the US. And Sam, whose mommy wrote the Golden Girls and gave him all his money is especially sheltered. Why won’t anyone in science stand up to Richard Dawkins? Why won’t Jon Haidt #TeachTheControversy around rationalism/intuitionism and multi-level selection on Sam’s podcast but he will on The Bryan Callen Show? Because the emotional climate of Sam Harris’ Podcast is different from the emotional climate of The Bryan Callen Show? Bryan and I know how little we know. We want to learn from anyone who can help us find modern truth in ancient wisdom.

Of course, Sam Harris doesn’t want to find modern truth in ancient wisdom. He doesn’t want to hear that science is reinvented the wheel. He is more interested in feeling right than in finding wisdom.

There is righteousness which is a cause in the name of the great mass of the people. And there is self-righteousness. Look at that smug little face. I think it’s time someone who isn’t so narrow-minded wiped that smug grin off his face. Someone who has actually spent time in other cultures. Their words may be different but the attitude is the same. They’re divisive and they want to destroy other cultures. The difference is that Sam’s mommy bought him an expensive education. He should know better. But he doesn’t. Because as Jon Haidt points out morality binds and blinds. And when you think you’re engaged in a righteous cause you don’t question yourself. There is no ijtihad. There is only jihad.

Since Fundamentalists hate to read, I’ll make it real simple. There’s an idea called convergent evolution. It says that in the same environment the same types of solutions emerge. Here it is at a genetic level.

Here it is at a cultural level.

Evolution happens on multiple levels. The evidence exists. You’ve now seen it. And you’ll continue to see it until people realize that Richard Dawkins is just a sad, old man who can’t handle diversity of thought and Sam Harris got duped by him and went along on his dumbass ride because Sam Harris is a sheltered Trustafarian who has never had the privilege of meeting the many Muslims who are way better human beings than he is.

And if you disagree then I will patiently explain it to you like the big babies you are. But I don’t think you’ll do that. And I don’t think you’ll read the science and form your own conclusion. And I don’t think you’ll create the kind of emotional environment where someone like Jon Haidt or David Sloan Wilson who know way more about these things than Richard Dawkins (who hasn’t done actual science since the 70’s) and Sam Harris who got a PhD in neuroscience and as a result thinks he knows everything about the brain.

Smug people don’t learn. Know-it-alls think they know it all. Until, they realize they don’t. And then they’re humiliated and then they can actually start learning.

Am I frustrated? Yes. Because for years I’ve had to listen to Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris lecture everybody else about changing their minds in the light of evidence while knowing that they refused to do it on evolution and human thinking. They’re hypocrites. They’re hypocrites who poison the waters for the The Diffusion of Innovations between science and religion. And the more people see it, the more they’ll have to answer for their hypocrisy. And then, they’ll realize that the scientific principle like the Christian principle is a hard thing to live by and we should help each other be better people not use our wealth and power to insult the poor. If you want to see who these people really are, then their you go. They’re rich, sheltered babies who can’t understand the ancient wisdom of other cultures because they’re so convinced they know it all.

And that ladies and gentlemen means that even though I’m Joe Rogan’s bitch. They’re my bitch.

Alpha = Joe Rogan

Beta = Hunter Maats, a nervous nobody of a tutor whose speech is littered with verbal ticks.

Omega = Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris. One, two cutie pies getting buggered in the butt by Joe Rogan’s beta gimp.

I went to a British Boarding School like Richard Dawkins. There’s a lot of gaaaaaaay there. Maybe Richard misses getting fucked from behind. Someone from nowhere comes up and just mind fucks him. I know a few billion religious people who would love to to do that. Are you going to block them all on twitter?

The Libertarian Fundamentalist Thomas E. Woods already blocked me on Twitter for calling him out. I guess we’ll have to build a movement of people who are willing to make up their own minds on the evidence.


These two think the other one is an idiot. They don’t respect each other’s belief systems enough to learn from them. That’s why actually they’re the real idiots and they both belong together in a big basket of fundamentalists. The issue isn’t any culture. It’s the mindset of a small number of individuals in EVERY culture. Call them Fundamentalists. Call them Self-Righteous. Call them Smug. Call them Know-It-Alls. The problem is the same. They make it so people who know better either don’t have a voice like David Sloan Wilson. Or people like Jon Haidt can only have conversation with them by avoiding the core of their disagreement.

Right? is a question. It needs to be discussed. “Atheism-is-unstoppable” declares with the simple certainty of a Fundamentalist that Hunter Maats is wrong without spending the decades it has taken me to read my way through all these books. I want to have a real debate.

And rather than letting them shut down the debate. I’m going to turn their own behavior against them. Why won’t they debate? Why won’t they discuss these ideas? Why didn’t Jon Haidt talk about the things he and Sam Harris disagreed on?

Because Sam Harris is a Fundamentalist Imam. He acts like he’s interested in dissenting opinions but the second anyone tries to raise an objection he gets all litigious. He picks apart their argument and in the process utterly misses the point. And that is not how science works.

And when you have the eyes to see and the ears to hear, you realize there are Easter Eggs all over the internet. Like this one from Atul Gawande’s article on The Mistrust of Science:

“When I came to college from my Ohio home town, the most intellectually unnerving thing I discovered was how wrong many of my assumptions were about how the world works—whether the natural or the human-made world. I looked to my professors and fellow-students to supply my replacement ideas. Then I returned home with some of those ideas and told my parents everything they’d got wrong (which they just loved). But, even then, I was just replacing one set of received beliefs for another. It took me a long time to recognize the particular mind-set that scientists have. The great physicist Edwin Hubble, speaking at Caltech’s commencement in 1938, said a scientist has “a healthy skepticism, suspended judgement, and disciplined imagination”—not only about other people’s ideas but also about his or her own. The scientist has an experimental mind, not a litigious one.”

I know what Gawande is talking about. I used to think science was about telling everyone how they were wrong. And then, I was humiliated. I was humiliated because I read the books of people like Jon Haidt and Antonio Damasio and Daniel Kahneman and David Sloan Wilson and so many others. And because I approached them in a spirit of humility, I had eyes to see and ears to hear. And I learned the lessons of the great scientific teachers of our time.

And I’ve been teaching kids long enough to recognize this face and this is not an emotional state that supports learning.

And it certainly doesn’t support The Diffusion of Innovations. How do I know? Because I listened to Jon Haidt and Sam Harris’ podcast and Sam’s behavior and attitude ensured that two of the most important scientific ideas of our time did not diffuse. They did diffuse when we had Jon Haidt and David Sloan Wilson on the show.

Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have a child’s understanding of science. They are litigious. They think science is about pulling up dogma so you don’t have to listen to people who think different. They constantly try and shut down debate. And the more Toto pulls back the curtain, the more people will see that whether it’s in a single relationship, within a culture or between cultures it always comes down to the same behaviors and the emotional climate that powerful people create. There are Picards like Jon Haidt and David Sloan Wilson in science. The Bryan Callen Show has been about promoting the Picards. But the Picards can’t get heard over the shouting of Dawkins and Sam Harris. And someone needs to call them out before they lose power.

And if you didn’t see them for what they are, then you’re not alone:

Right after being born in Saudi Arabia, I was taken to the Callen house. Since then, Bryan and I have travelled the world with our Citibank fathers and somehow ended up in LA together. There we'd run into each other at family gatherings and do something that no one else in LA seemed to be doing: we talked about books. Since Bryan was kind of a big deal, Hunter and Bryan hatched a scheme to use his podcast to get on their favorite authors and professors. Out of that evolved Mixed Mental Arts and this tribe. For me, the marriage of entertainment and education is a return to how things used to be before our culture split story into two separate things. It's exciting to be able to build on the work Katie O'Brien and I did for The Straight-A Conspiracy and expand it out to every area of life. While I play a series of roles in the Mixed Mental Arts community (including Shitty Dutch Uncle and Bryan's #1 fan) my favorite role is as Toto who pulls back the curtain and let's the world see that there are no wizards...only men and women who try and puff themselves up to seem important.

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